王文：目前，众所周知，欧盟受到来自美国的压力。美国希望欧洲跟随它一起对中国发动新冷战。但我发现，中欧双方昨天谈得更多的是合作，包括疫苗研发、绿色低碳、数字经济、扩大贸易规模等。欧盟方面坚持多边主义、也希望解决一些分歧。所以，我相信，欧盟不会追随美国。在疫情期，双方通过视频会议交流，本身就代表着双方愿意合作。这也意味着美国拉欧洲对华发动新冷战战略已经破产。

王文：是的，欧洲的确出现一种声音，认为中国隐瞒了病情，批评中国的防疫措施。事实上，现在越来越多的欧洲人正在理性地看待这场疫情。欧洲的决策者是理性的。中国目前是向欧洲出口医疗物资，包括口罩、呼吸机、防护服在内的医疗物品最多的国家。中欧之间都明白，只有合作，才能抗击疫情。从这一点看，欧洲是可以沟通的，是平和的，是理性的。这一点和美国不一样。中欧关系在后疫情时代会更加健康。

王文：事实上，不只是中国总理李克强，中国国家主席习近平昨天也讲过。中国国家领导人非常重视欧洲。虽然都属于西方文明，但欧洲比美国更平和。欧洲不是霸权，欧洲追求和平，欧洲推崇多边主义。这些战略看法都与中国的战略看法非常一致。所以，习近平主席对欧盟领导人说，中国要和平不要霸权，中国是机遇不是威胁，中国是伙伴不是对手。这个信号非常重要。中欧没有修昔底德陷阱，中国与欧盟需要为世界的和平、发展、稳定负责任。

Host: Dr. Wang, professor at Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies at Renmin University of China. And you're very welcome. Thanks for joining us this morning. Just firstly, both sides do appear to be keen to make progress. What do you think are the chances of a major breakthrough?

Wang Wen: At the moment, as you know, the EU is under pressure from the US. The United States wants Europe to follow it in launching a new cold war against China. But I found that the two sides between China and the EU yesterday talked more about cooperation, including vaccine research, green and low-carbon, digital economy, expanding trade scale and so on. The EU side adheres to multilateralism and hopes to resolve some differences. So, I believe that the EU will not follow the US. During the Pandemic period, the realization of webinar conference represents the willingness of both sides to cooperate. This also means that the U.S. strategy of pulling Europe to launch a new cold war against China has gone bankrupt.

Host: That said, though, Doctor Wen, when there are still obvious political disagreements between the EU and China, just how strained is their relationship to think? How much room is there for maneuver?

Wang Wen: Yes, there is a voice in Europe that criticizes China, including China’s anti-Pandemic progress. But, In fact, more and more Europeans are looking at China’s anti-Pandemic progress rationally. European policymakers are rational. At present, China is the country that exports the most medical materials to Europe, including masks, respirators and protective clothing. Both China and Europe understand that only through cooperation can combat the Pandemic. From this point of view, Europe is communicable, peaceful and rational, unlike the United States. China-EU relations will be healthier in the post Pandemic era.

Host: One thing that stood out for me certainly was the  Chinese Premier saying that China and the EU are more partners than competitors. What does he mean? He seems to suggest in a much broader sense that there could be much better relations to.

Wang Wen: Not only Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, China's President Xi Jinping also made a statement yesterday. Chinese leaders attach great importance to Europe. Although all belong to Western civilization, Europe is more peaceful than America. Europe is not hegemonic, it pursues peace and it values multilateralism. These strategic views are very consistent with those of China. Therefore, President Xi Jinping told the EU leaders that China should be peaceful and not hegemonic. China is an opportunity rather than a threat. China is a partner, not an opponent. This signal is very important. China and the EU need to be responsible for world peace, development and stability.

Host: It is very interesting, isn't it？Doctor, when we're going to have to leave it there. But we appreciate your time this morning, Dr. Wang Wen, a professor at the Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies in China. Thank you.